Larry King Live (January 1996)
Lary King LIVE
Hillary
Clinton and Whitewater
Aired January
10, 1996 9:00 pm
Hillary
Clinton and Whitewater
LARRY KING: [voice-over] As Washingtonians deal with the blizzard of '96, the residents of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue are weathering a storm of embarrassing legal problems, tough budget talks, and harsh editorials. Top White House correspondents give us the inside scoop. Plus, Sandra Bullock and Denis Leary preview their new film Two if by Sea. Coming up on Larry King Live.
ANNOUNCER: Now, live from Washington, here's Larry King.
LARRY KING: Always a pleasure to regularly assemble our White House correspondents. Unfortunately, Brit Hume is under the weather tonight and could not be with us. But we are joined by Rita Braver, CBS White House Correspondent, Brian Williams, NBC's White House Correspondent and Wolf Blitzer, CBS's White House Correspondent-
WOLF BLITZER, CNN White House Correspondent: CNN.
LARRY KING: Oh, I- you didn't- they didn't tell you? Ha,ha. Well, let me be the first. Wolf Blitzer is CNN's White House Correspondent, we are going to begin with you Wolf. Give us some details. Tomorrow there is a press conference.
WOLF BLITZER: Four o'clock Eastern in the East Room, the President will have a full-scale formal news conference, just before he leaves Washington for Nashville. He's going to be in Tennessee on Friday. Then Friday afternoon he leaves with me and Brian, not Rita, for Bosnia.
LARRY KING: Are you going to Nashville?
RITA BRAVER, CBS White House Correspondent: Unfortunately, I am going to have- I am going to Nashville.
LARRY KING: And you are not going to Bosnia?
RITA BRAVER: No. Dan Rather is going to Bosnia, though.
LARRY KING: Ah.
RITA BRAVER: So you are going to get great coverage out of Nashville.
LARRY KING: And you're going- ?
BRIAN WILLIAMS, NBC White House Correspondent: I am going to Nashville. I was thinking today how it would seem on the plane if they said `Welcome to our service to Nashville, with continuing service to Bosnia.' Because I am going to both.
WOLF BLITZER: it's a day trip. It's a day trip, Brian.
BRIAN WILLIAMS: I am- I am going to both.
LARRY KING: Yeah, the President doesn't do nighttime press conferences anymore?
RITA BRAVER: Well, I think it depends on what his schedule is. We were talking to Mike McCurry earlier today about exactly why he decided to have this press conference now, lots of speculation, because there is lots of news, he insists that the reason that the President decided is that he saw an editorial in The Washington Post - McCurry did - that said, `Hey, he hasn't had a news conference in a long time' and he went in and said to the President, `You know, maybe you ought to do it.' And Mr. Clinton said `Okay.'
LARRY KING: Do you plan for these?
BRIAN WILLIAMS: I guess so. I- I won't go to sleep tonight trying to formulate questions. I will wait until a few minutes- as is my style, a few minutes beforehand. And it's a funny dynamic, we can all admit to it - we all have a list of top 10 questions and it depends on the-
LARRY KING: Depends on whether someone else asks?
BRIAN WILLIAMS: -Yeah, the order in which you are called upon, and you just, `Well, there goes that one, there goes that one.'
LARRY KING: Is there a pecking order? Does like CNN go third?
WOLF BLITZER: Usually, at formal news conferences, the history is that one of the wire services, either UPI, Helen Thomas, or AP, Terry Hunt, would go first, the other wire service would go second. That's the tradition. And then it is up to the President to call on anyone he wants. He tends at the early stages of his news conferences to call on the television network White House Correspondents but he can call on anyone he wants.
LARRY KING: Now, let's dig into it, Rita. Up and down, polls up, polls down - how would you describe this White House and we have to do this on a day to day basis - today?
RITA BRAVER: Well, I-
LARRY KING: Is it beleaguered?
RITA BRAVER: I think that, right now, that they are in a mode of reassessment. They really don't know where they stand with the public, after the collapse - and I think you have to say right now it's a collapse of the budget talks, and also with the First Lady's problems. I kept thinking of the time when there was the news conference and when I made the mistake of saying to someone earlier in the day that I- asking some Whitewater questions to a staffer. And I hadn't - that's not what I intended to ask, but it didn't matter, because someone I think had the President, `Whatever you do, don't call on Rita Braver,' and there re hilarious shots of me waving my hand in my purple suit. I couldn't get called on that day, no matter what. So we want to be careful not to talk about exactly what we think.
WOLF BLITZER: They will try to-
RITA BRAVER: For tomorrow, yeah.
WOLF BLITZER: -pepper us, to try to find out what's on our minds, because they do a rehearsal with the President, before. They-
LARRY KING: During the day tomorrow?
WOLF BLITZER: Yeah, they provide questions and suggested answers.
LARRY KING: Well, let's deal with some of the obvious. You've got to deal with Whitewater, right?
BRIAN WILLIAMS: Well, I plan to ask about sports.
LARRY KING: Is Whitewater the number one topic, do you think? You would say?
BRIAN WILLIAMS: I guess so. A combination of pseudo-scandals.
LARRY KING: Whitewater, Hillary - Rita.
BRIAN WILLIAMS: Yeah. Rita would be an issue.
LARRY KING: Put them all under one blanket, how would you describe this White House? Is she right - confused?
WOLF BLITZER: Well, I think that there are several issues right now that are the most important. First and foremost is the fate of the balanced budget. That is obviously going to impact on millions and millions of Americans, whether there is going to be a tax cut, how is Medicare going to be affected, Medicaid all sorts of other spending, and education and the environment, and all sorts of other things - so that's the most important issue. Perhaps, you know, the sexiest issue is the First Lady and how is she going to fare, what's going to happen at this Senate Whitewater Committee tomorrow, the chairman Alfonse D'Amato going to hold. Is this young associate from the Rose Law Firm, in Little Rock going to contradict statements that Hillary Clinton had made earlier. That could - depending on what Richard Massey says, that that hearing tomorrow, that could be the subject for questioning of the President, although, yesterday, when he had sort of a little mini, informal news conference in the briefing room he was very forceful in defending his wife.
LARRY KING: How would you describe him at these?
BRIAN WILLIAMS: He is quite good. Different presidents appear differently. Ronald Reagan, on television and in person at these, was quite masterful, yet the next day's transcript didn't read well. I think John Kennedy was- was masterful and yet there were some sentence fragments the next day. I think Carter and Clinton share something and that is that while they may not be a house afire at the podium, when you read the transcript, it tends to make sense. There are complete thoughts, complete sentences. It reads well. And that's speaking just to delivery.
LARRY KING: He will be - he will probably say `We've done-' - what he said yesterday, on Whitewater, right? `We've been through all of this already, there is nothing new'?
RITA BRAVER: I think he can say that about Whitewater to some extent. There have been some new revelations. I think he is going to have a little bit more trouble defending the latest revelations on the Travel Office firings. If you remember, when the Travel Travel Office firings occurred, Democrats were in charged in Congress. It always seemed to me, and I wasn't covering the White House at the time, it always seemed to me that if it had been a Republican president and a Democratic Congress there would have been immediate investigations. There were not and we're kind of late coming to it, but it's always been my opinion that the Travel Office issue was perhaps more dangerous for the White House, even than Whitewater.
LARRY KING: And still that's true, you think?
RITA BRAVER: I think that's true, because I think it goes to conduct in office, whereas Whitewater didn't.
LARRY KING: Do you run a thin line in criticizing the First Lady?
WOLF BLITZER: Well, you-
LARRY KING: Question-wise?
WOLF BLITZER: You always want to be polite and respectful, she's the First Lady. You don't want to call her a `congenital liar.'
LARRY KING: You don't- you are not going to do a Safire?
WOLF BLITZER: Something a columnist might be able to do. But we're reporters, so we try to be fair and objective and honest and balance all of the information, and not only become stenographers, but also to analyze and to understand and to help our audience understand what is going on. But just following up to the point that Rita made, I read virtually all of the documents that were found in Vince Foster's office after his suicide. And if you read the whole chunk of that stuff that was found there in his briefcase and elsewhere, you can find out that he, as the Deputy White House Counsel, was much more concerned, spent a lot more time writing, about the firing of the White House Travel Office than the land deal called Whitewater. So clearly, this was a very, very sensitive subject-
LARRY KING: Do you think there is a cover-up involved her?
WOLF BLITZER: I think - I mean, look, if you- there are two sides of the story right now. There is the- there is the David Watkins version where he was the White House administrator who actually went ahead and fired the White House Travel Office, these civil servants who had been there for 20, 30 years or so, and this caused a big stir in the- in the- among the White House press corps at the time, because everyone knew these guys. We traveled with them, they made all of our arrangements. And if the White House would have done it in a simple way and simply said at the time `Hey, the President has a right to have anyone on his staff that he wants, he can hire and fire-
LARRY KING: They serve at his pleasure.
WOLF BLITZER: -all these people serve the pleasure - and we want to bring in our own people, which is totally understandable, he could have done it. Instead of just doing it very simply like that and saying these people are going to be reassigned to other civil service jobs elsewhere in he bureaucracy, they went ahead and came up with these allegations of wrongdoing and came up with an excuse why they had to do it, and some of the rationale may have been justified but then they went ahead and indicted poor BIlly Dale and he was acquitted after two hours - so, it just looks very sordid.
LARRY KING: It doesn't - it doesn't look good.
WOLF BLITZER: It was handled, as I think the White House itself will admit, it was handled awfully.
LARRY KING: Brian, before we talk about the budget, do you deal with the Paula Jones situation gingerly at a press conference with the President, or not?
BRIAN WILLIAMS: Of course. You know, I keep saying that 50 years ago, just 50 years ago, we had a president who said `No pictures, boys,' and the camera would turn away as he was lifted into his car. Think how far we've come. And I went back last night and re-read a chapter of No Ordinary Time, Doris Kearn Goodwin's-
LARRY KING: Great book.
BRIAN WILLIAMS: -magnificent book on the Roosevelts. And read about Mrs. Roosevelt taking over the office of Civil Defense. And you know there were people who thought she shouldn't be in that role, you know. This is a First Lady after all. So, I don't know how to bring those two thoughts together, except to say that, yes, mores have changed. What is covered in the media has changed. And this brings up a whole new set of rules that are still being written.
LARRY KING: We will take a break, come back, talk about the budget, then include your phone calls. And later we will meet superstar Sandra Bullock and her co-star Denis Leary. Tomorrow night, Mary Fisher, discussing her new book about the trials and tribulations of going through the battle against AIDS. We will be right back.
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LARRY KING: We will discuss some other bases. Before the budget - was Safire a colleague, out of line?
RITA BRAVER: I think he's a columnist. And I think-
LARRY KING: Was he out of line?
RITA BRAVER: -the rules are very different.
LARRY KING: I don't think so. I think that you might not agree with him, but I think that when you have a column you have a right of freedom, and that is one of the things that the constitution guarantees to us.
LARRY KING: Damage assessment? Whitewater, Travelgate, Paula Jones.
BRIAN WILLIAMS: Three different categories. Whitewater as we keep saying doesn't seem to be bubbling up. There is no- there is no black tape over the doorknob, like in Watergate. There is no structure that Washingtonians drive by every day, and- Bob Dole walks his schnauzer outside every morning for that matter. The Travel Office is still an ephemeral notion to a lot of people. All they hear is the First Lady asserted some kind of power over seven innocent employees. And it should be noted that these are people - the President is like a dinosaur, he twitches and his tail moves 500 feet and knocks over desks. And 200 of us have to move when he says `Move.' And these are the people who facilitate that travel- hotels, charter jets, motorcades and it's an awesome job.
LARRY KING: Are you saying the average person don't care?
BRIAN WILLIAMS: I don't know that they- that they-
LARRY KING: Who travels you around, they don't care.
BRIAN WILLIAMS: They don't care about that.
RITA BRAVER: Well, they care about the First Lady's conduct, without a doubt.
LARRY KING: That's correct.
BRIAN WILLIAMS: Yeah.
LARRY KING: And Paula Jones? Assessment?
WOLF BLITZER: Paul Jones could be embarrassing, if the President is forced during so-called discovery proceedings to have to testify to have to provide depositions.
LARRY KING: Right now, not embarrassing?
WOLF BLITZER: I guess the public is, my sense, is immune. They've heard so much about this already. And it's, I mean if it goes forward before the election, as Bob Bennett suggested it won't, because he can delay it, you know, with all sorts of legal technicalities, but if it should go forward, it could be - it could be politically damaging.
LARRY KING: All right. The budget is in trillions, right? And they are only apart by what? $120 billion-
RITA BRAVER: It depends on who you talk to.
LARRY KING: Yeah, but it doesn't seem-
BRIAN WILLIAMS: A couple of billion.
LARRY KING: A couple of billion, right? It doesn't seem like the end of the world amount, that they can't come together. They don't seem that far apart, so what's the problem?
BRIAN WILLIAMS: Somewhere Everett Dirksen is smiling that we're talking about-
LARRY KING: Yes.
BRIAN WILLIAMS: -a couple of billion. I tend to disagree with Rita. I think some of them just genuinely needed a break. The great dynamic, the magnificent dynamic here is just think, President Clinton and his likely challenger Bob Dole have now been in the same room, basically, for 50 hours. There is no modern comparison to this in history.
LARRY KING: And they are-
BRIAN WILLIAMS: And it's a great advantage. I mean, they're- they're sizing each other up. Clinton has privately told folks that he's - he's kind of got the guy's number, or so he feels. He knows what makes Bob Dole tick, knows what he is like now, in person. Huge advantage to both men. I think they will come back at it. I think that they will-
LARRY KING: And solve it?
BRIAN WILLIAMS: I think they have to. I think they will have to strike a deal. What they are doing now in these two huddles on opposite field is how do we emerge from this victorious?
LARRY KING: Is it Dole's ballgame more than Gingrich?
WOLF BLITZER: No, I think they are both obviously very much involved. I think Dole really wants a deal and I think he is more inclined to have a deal than Gingrich is. Although I think Gingrich is probably inclined to have a deal as well. When you talk about the numbers alone, really, when you think about a trillion dollar a year budget, and over seven years they may be $100 billion apart, over seven years, which is $17-18 billion a year, that's not a huge sum when there are these big things. I think there are some fundamental philosophical questions where there are serious differences-
LARRY KING: That should be debated in November?
WOLF BLITZER: -Medicaid, how much should states do, the federal government, Medicare. Things like that. But there will be some differences. But I think that there is definitely a deal there. And they are close. They've made, they've come a lot closer than when you take a look at the beginning and my sense is that just as is the case in a real tough labor negotiation, when there is an end game, they both start screaming it's not going to happen and posturing-
LARRY KING: And is it still January 26th?
RITA BRAVER: Yes, and I don't mean to suggest that I don't think that a deal can be made. But I think that there was a legitimate breakdown in these talks. That it wasn't just a recess. But it was both sides going back-
LARRY KING: So [crosstalk]
RITA BRAVER: -but it was both sides going back to their constituencies and sort of getting a feel for how much the traffic will bear.
BRIAN WILLIAMS: I don't know if- I don't know-
RITA BRAVER: And I also think- I think a couple of things. I think that Newt Gingrich has been driving this much more than Bob Dole. The White House would like Bob Dole to be the person that they negotiate with. But I think Gingrich-
LARRY KING: Are you as optimistic as the two gentlemen?
RITA BRAVER: -and Dick Armey - You know, it depends on who you talk to. I think they are going to have to strike a deal, but someone I spoke to at the White House said to me today, there is a good chance, that we may not, that we will have to make some accommodation then, for this year. I said, how are you going to do that? He said, we don't know.
WOLF BLITZER: I don't know if what Newt Gingrich said today was intentional or not intentional, if it was posturing, he simply said that `I'm pessimistic, and there may not be a deal.' The stock market went down 100 points, almost? All right? Now, it may have been a brilliant move on his part, because nothing puts pressure on the White House as much as drop in the stock market by- even more than a drop in the Gallup, CNN-USA Today Gallup poll-
LARRY KING: Isn't the public getting a little tired of all of this?
BRIAN WILLIAMS: Oh, of course.
LARRY KING: A plague on all your houses.
BRIAN WILLIAMS: And after - after a while folks, they are all just politicians. You know, these polls don't start mattering worth a bucket of warm spit.
LARRY KING: When we come back more with Rita Braver and Wolf Blitzer and Brian Williams and your phone calls on Larry King Live.
On Monday night, the fifth anniversary of the Gulf War, some of the top correspondents will gather to discuss it. Sean Penn next Tuesday. Don't go away.
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LARRY KING: Brit Hume has been reported absent due to illness, He is allowed three a year. Rita Braver is our CBS White House Correspondent, Brian Williams NBC White House Correspondent and Wolf Blitzer, CNN's White House Correspondent. Bosnia, why?
BRIAN WILLIAMS: Where is Sandra Bullock, can we settle that first?
LARRY KING: She's in New York.
BRIAN WILLIAMS: All right.
LARRY KING: Will you stop it, Brian?
BRIAN WILLIAMS: Well, I heard, you know, she was going to be on.
LARRY KING: Bosnia, why?
BRIAN WILLIAMS: Victory lap. Two words: victory lap. Presidents like to do this, Presidents commit troops overseas and they like to go visit them. They like to see what their investment is buying. They like to stand in front of those troops and say `Folks, they're here, I sent them here, it's working so far, God willing.'
LARRY KING: Campaign. Are they gearing strictly for Dole?
RITA BRAVER: No, I think that they are allowing themselves a little maneuvering room. They think its going to be Dole but they also have the possibility that there could be some kind of third party candidate coming in. And I think that they are trying to give themselves the maximum flexibility now.
LARRY KING: Do they want that?
RITA BRAVER: Do they want a third party? It depends on who it is. I don't think they want somebody who is going to challenge the president from the left and take away votes that he would like to have that he is going to need to put them over the top. If they get a third party candidate they want somebody who will take away votes from the Republicans.
LARRY KING: Right. And so they want Perot?
RITA BRAVER: Well, they want Perot or someone who is of the same kind of character as Perot.
LARRY KING: The war chest is full is it not, Wolf?
WOLF BLITZER: Oh, they are loaded with money. It's drawing interest and they've got a lot more to- you know when they get the-
LARRY KING: The matching-
WOLF BLITZER: -the matching funds and all of this, oh, yeah, they have a ton of money and they are ready to go. They- they've managed to overcome a major hurdle which is a Democratic primary challenger and- and they didn't have to worry about that.
LARRY KING: Is there any-
WOLF BLITZER: -I will add one other thing on why he is going to Bosnia, which is related to what Rita said as well. They assume, they don't know for sure, they assume Bob Dole is going to get the Republican nomination and there is no doubt that the President wants to beat Bob Dole to Bosnia. Because Bob Dole wants to go to Bosnia as well, he wanted to go at Christmas time, the President wants to get there before he gets there.
LARRY KING: Is there any hurdle for him at the Democratic convention, is any big squabble going to occur at the Democratic convention as you see it?
WOLF BLITZER: Right now he is in very,very strong shape as far as the Democratic-
LARRY KING: It's a cakewalk, right?
WOLF BLITZER: - the only thing that could hurt him is that if there is a budget deal with Gingrich-
LARRY KING: -and the liberals give in?
WOLF BLITZER: -and- and Bonior and Gephardt, they split the Democratic party, the liberal wing, Kennedy, they get very upset because there is too much in Medicare cuts, too much in tax cuts or whatever, that just as it split the Democratic party over NAFTA and GATT. If that happens on- on this issue, that could hurt him a bit and presumably someone like Jesse Jackson could say `I am going to challenge.'
RITA BRAVER: And Bosnia is also out there. I mean-
LARRY KING: If something happens.
RITA BRAVER: -it is early days. And we don't know whether there could be something, some kind of incident, that could be a real problem for him.
LARRY KING: Las Vegas calls you and says `Make book on this, who is favored?'
BRIAN WILLIAMS: I think - we're asked this all the time - and I think given his character and past history and where we are right now, which is what an opinion poll is, snapshot-
LARRY KING: The vote is?
BRIAN WILLIAMS: -I think that you have to say that the President is probably looking at re-election just given what the office can do to get you reelected.
LARRY KING: We will take a break and come back with your phone calls for Blitzer, Braver, and Williams. Sounds like a law firm.
Don't go away.
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LARRY KING: Let's go to your phone calls. Kronigen, Holland. Hello?
1st CALLER: Good evening.
LARRY KING: Hi.
1st CALLER: I've got one question. First I'd like to say I like your show.
LARRY KING: Thank you.
1st CALLER: Isn't it - isn't it strange that while the President's wife is not elected, she still has quite a lot of influence on U.S. policy.
LARRY KING: Why are we so involved in her? She is not elected. We don't pay her, do we?
WOLF BLITZER: She's obviously very close to her husband. She's very intelligent, she's not someone who is shy, and she wants to play a role. I mean, it's not the first time the First Lady has played a role.
LARRY KING: And most First Ladies would fit that category wouldn't they?
WOLF BLITZER: Right. They all play a role, more or less, a little bit different, but-
LARRY KING: Mary Lincoln, Mrs. Wilson, Mrs. Roosevelt-
WOLF BLITZER: I mean, Nancy Reagan-
LARRY KING: -Nancy Reagan-
WOLF BLITZER: -was very much involved in what her husband did.
LARRY KING: Why do we get angry at strong women?
BRIAN WILLIAMS: Rita?
RITA BRAVER: You know-
LARRY KING: Brian?
RITA BRAVER: -I have never been one to get angry at strong women.
LARRY KING: Brian, we do though, don't we?
BRIAN WILLIAMS: I think it may be generational. That the notion of a strong woman may be one that - that is coming up through the ranks. This woman brought a law career with her, she is a professional and it's what all these memos are about, people searching to see what influence she- she may or may not have had.
LARRY KING: Southampton, England, hello?
2nd CALLER, [Southampton, England]: Hello, I just would like to know, that in this country, Parliament can't shut down the government and get paid as MP's. How can it be that the Congress can shut the government down and still draw their wages.
LARRY KING: A good question.
WOLF BLITZER: Well, everybody wound up getting paid.
LARRY KING: Parliament can't shut down England, though.
WOLF BLITZER: Right. Well, this is a different type of government obviously. And so they can shut down the government and workers will spend a month basically between the two shut downs at home, they will wind up getting paid, and everybody does. I meant he lawmakers get paid and the President gets paid, too. So everybody gets paid. It's the taxpayers, who wound up, you know you and me and everybody else, we wound up losing $1 billion worth of productivity because the government was shut down for a month. Now the White House will say that was a total waste. The Republicans will argue, well, if it achieves a balanced budget and manages to bring down this deficit and the national debt, it will have been worth it, to get, to grab the President's attention which they feel was obviously necessary.
RITA BRAVER: You also might want point out and I think a lot of people miss that it was only a partial government shutdown. And in fact during all of this fighting there were some appropriations bills that were actually signed, including the one that funded both the White House and Congress.
LARRY KING: Arvada, Colorado, for our panel. Hello?
3rd CALLER, [Arvada, Colorado]: Yes, hello. I was wondering, is it possible for the President to declare a state of emergency to prevent another government shutdown and put together a temporary budget that way?
LARRY KING: Brian?
BRIAN WILLIAMS: He has certain powers of life, health and safety-
LARRY KING: Good question.
BRIAN WILLIAMS: -are the areas where he, unchallenged, can act. I think he would have done something for Meals on Wheels had it not been restored, areas like that, where he can act and say as president, `Folks, we've got to get this up and running.'
LARRY KING: But he couldn't make a case for the Smithsonian Museum opening.
BRIAN WILLIAMS: Not, not really. Not as fine a case as the Smithsonian made and got their own exhibit up and running.
WOLF BLITZER: Right. That's absolutely true. If there is a legitimate threat to life, national security, he can basically declare whatever he wants and make sure that there is the money that is going to be necessary to get things going. But to make sure that tours can operate at the Smithsonian, is not one of those requirements.
LARRY KING: Is- are we in a state now where no one is popular.
RITA BRAVER: Well, I think-
LARRY KING: I mean Dole rose to 47.
RITA BRAVER: You know, I was seeing some tourists come up to the White House during the shutdown. And being told that the White- you know, the President was in the White House but that there were no tours for the public. And the people's faces looked so sad and I thought that was really a metaphor for what was happening in the rest of the country, a feeling to a certain extent that people aren't secure when they see their government going through this. And I think that everybody is a loser because of it.
LARRY KING: We will be back with more phone calls and then we will meet Sandra Bullock and Denis Leary.
This is Larry King Live in Washington. Heading for Los Angeles, Richard Dreyfuss next week. We will be right back.
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LARRY KING: We're back. How do you deal with this, Wolf? Like you are going to Nashville and then Bosnia. And, when do you pack? You've got a press conference coming up tomorrow. How does this- how do you?
WOLF BLITZER: It's, yeah, I mean- I have to pack for a press conference.
LARRY KING: Modus operandi.
WOLF BLITZER: -I have to pack for a press conference in the East Room tomorrow, take my stuff to the White House and then have clothes to do live shots from Tuzla on Saturday. So, it's-
LARRY KING: I mean,where do you put them?
WOLF BLITZER: I have-
LARRY KING: The clothes go where, on a truck?
WOLF BLITZER: I have them in a suitcase.
LARRY KING: No, I mean, who transports them to the plane?
WOLF BLITZER: I do.
LARRY KING: You carry them?
WOLF BLITZER: I carry them. And I give them to when I check in at Andrews Air Force base, I give them- there is a little cart there and they put them on the plane, and they- it sort of mysteriously shows up in your hotel room.
LARRY KING: And your plane is the same plane as the president? Or you are a plane behind him?
BRIAN WILLIAMS: It depends. I- it's my day in the rotation. Every fourth day every one of us travels with the President. So Friday, I will accompany him.
LARRY KING: You will accompany him.
BRIAN WILLIAMS: So, but I am glad you asked that. Because people think, I think, that we're- we're carried through Washington in chariots. I mean, tomorrow morning is grocery shop for the family, because we're snowed in here in Washington. It is pack for Nashville, pack for Bosnia. It is try to spend at least nine minutes of quality time with two children and my wife, and you know, these are lives that go on here. And- not that-
RITA BRAVER: Well, this is the reason that my mind wants to go to Bosnia, but my body doesn't.
LARRY KING: Does the President always get clearance. By that I mean, what if there is a snowstorm?
RITA BRAVER: If there is a snowstorm, and he can't land, he won't go. Usually they know ahead of time when he is headed somewhere.
LARRY KING: So, if this were Monday, he ain't going to Nashville.
WOLF BLITZER: Right.
RITA BRAVER: Yeah, they would tell him, or if he couldn't land somewhere, if he couldn't take off, they would let him know. I can't think - there was a time when the press plane was diverted.
WOLF BLITZER: Well, many times, many times he can't take a helicopter from the South lawn of the White House-
BRIAN WILLIAMS: Right.
WOLF BLITZER: -because of fog or whatever. So he has to do a motorcade. But there is no doubt that if, if it were dangerous they wouldn't let him take off.
LARRY KING: Now, you go from Nashville to Bosnia.
WOLF BLITZER: That's right.
LARRY KING: This ain't exactly, you know, American Airlines.
WOLF BLITZER: No, we stop off in- we stop off in Aviano, Italy.
LARRY KING: You stop in Aviano, Italy.
WOLF BLITZER: Yeah.
LARRY KING: Then on to Bosnia.
WOLF BLITZER: That's right.
LARRY KING: Then you get of the plane.
WOLF BLITZER: Get off the plane.
LARRY KING: Then you file reports. Then you get back on the plane. Right?
WOLF BLITZER: That's right. And we make stops, and while we are in Bosnia, we are going to Bosnia, there is someplace in Hungary, and someplace in Croatia. We've got a few different, you know, brief stops there.
LARRY KING: Now do you have a full itinerary in front of you?
BRIAN WILLIAMS: We, because of the sensitivity and the security on this mission, we don't until enroute. But I must say also that we don't sleep. Sleep is absolutely out of the question.
LARRY KING: Why not?
BRIAN WILLIAMS: You can grab a cat nap on the way over, but these many of these trips - we did Budapest for lunch.
WOLF BLITZER: Right.
BRIAN WILLIAMS: Many of these trips, this is- this is a very active president we have here.
LARRY KING: Are your hotel rooms all blocked out for you?
RITA BRAVER: Yes, and sometimes they are really great and sometimes they are really scary. The other point is that they are going to all of these places, but they are not going to see them. Everyone saw, when we went to Paris a few weeks ago, my beautiful stand up in front of the Eiffel Tower, and I think they probably thought I was sipping cafe au lait, on the Champs Elysee the whole time when in fact that was the one and only time that I ever got outdoors, while, during the time that we were in Paris. Unfortunately, you get all of these places checked off on your list of places you've been, but it's not really the way to see the world. It's interesting politically, but you are not much of a tourist.
BRIAN WILLIAMS: Bosnia will be different, only because they must keep us around him and we will be- we will be with him and seeing these places and there is-
LARRY KING: Why do you like this so much?
WOLF BLITZER: Well, if you are a reporter, you want to cover the big stories, and by definition when you cover the President of the United States, you are covering the big-
LARRY KING: It's big even if it's pro forma?
WOLF BLITZER: Yeah, you are almost covering the big story of the day, certainly one of the big stories of the day and if that's in your blood and if that's what you really like to do, that's what you want to do. That's the reason all of us are doing it.
LARRY KING: Is this a good president to travel with.
BRIAN WILLIAMS: If you like sleep, personal hygiene and family life, no. No. It is now said, with great affection for Ronald Reagan when he attended the European summit, he would to to, you know, to Bermuda for one night, kill an hour jet lag. He'd go to Shannon and kill four more hours and then he'd kind of go to Paris and then Brussels, he would get there. This president goes to Budapest for lunch.
LARRY KING: He told me planes don't bother him he could sleep standing up, nothing bothers him about travel.
WOLF BLITZER: He also has the advantage of having a bed on Air Force One, that we have- we have a chair. We have a seat on Air Force One that reclines obviously, a little bit, but we can't you know, take a shower or do anything. We are going to basically spend Friday night flying to Bosnia and Saturday night flying back from Bosnia. We're not checking into any hotel, though, or anything like that, while we are in Bosnia. We're going for a few hours to Bosnia and he will shake hands with the troops, and then we will fly home.
LARRY KING: And Monday morning?
BRIAN WILLIAMS: Monday morning we-
RITA BRAVER: Go to Atlanta.
BRIAN WILLIAMS: -I didn't know if it was announced. We go to Atlanta.
LARRY KING: What's in Atlanta.
WOLF BLITZER: Martin Luther King Day. He's going- he's going to attend church services.
LARRY KING: So you go to Atlanta.
BRIAN WILLIAMS: Yes.
LARRY KING: That's just go to church? Do you go into church?
WOLF BLITZER: It depends- well, we will go into church.
BRIAN WILLIAMS: There is a tight group around the president.
RITA BRAVER: Depends on the--
LARRY KING: You wait outside of church. If it is raining you stand in the rain.
BRIAN WILLIAMS: Right.
LARRY KING: Snowing, you stand in the snow.
BRIAN WILLIAMS: Right.
LARRY KING: Back to Washington, Monday night.
BRIAN WILLIAMS: Right.
LARRY KING: Right.
BRIAN WILLIAMS: A trip.
LARRY KING: Home.
BRIAN WILLIAMS: Home.
RITA BRAVER: Yeah, but we- we shouldn't whine too much.
BRIAN WILLIAMS: I know.
RITA BRAVER: These are not bad jobs. These are not bad jobs.
BRIAN WILLIAMS: This is a danger, this is a danger. This is a terrific job.
WOLF BLITZER: There are a lot of people who would love to have our job, so we are very aware of that. And so while it is hard work, it is also exhilarating, very thrilling and all of us are grateful to have it.
LARRY KING: This is the plum job, then?
RITA BRAVER: Well, it's one of the plum jobs.
BRIAN WILLIAMS: Your's is the plum job.
RITA BRAVER: Yes.
LARRY KING: Well, this- this is the best one. And would you like Safire's job?
BRIAN WILLIAMS: Oh, sure. I would- I would love, maybe-
RITA BRAVER: Not this week.
BRIAN WILLIAMS: -not this week, but I would love to have a similar job. I dream about it.
LARRY KING: Thank you all very much. Have a great trip and Rita, when you- when you do don't go what do you do?
RITA BRAVER: Oh, I manage to fill those hours. There are many people to call. Lots of phone calls to make.
LARRY KING: Thank you all very much as always. And Brit will be with us next time. Brit, I guess, is not going? Or is going?
BRIAN WILLIAMS: I don't think he's-
WOLF BLITZER: He is going.
LARRY KING: He is going?
BRIAN WILLIAMS: He is? He's better then.
LARRY KING: He will be better. Okay, Rita Braver, Brian Williams, Wolf Blitzer.
When we come back, Sandra Bullock and Denis Leary, this is Larry King Live, in Washington. Don't go away.
[Film clip from `Two if by Sea']
DENIS LEARY: You know what?
SANDRA BULLOCK: Hmm?
DENIS LEARY: The kid was wrong about that dye job.
SANDRA BULLOCK: Yeah?
DENIS LEARY: Yeah. I like the color.
SANDRA BULLOCK: Oh. Really?
DENIS LEARY: All three colors.
SANDRA BULLOCK: Oh, I see, so now that I am lying here half naked, it's not so, what did you call it weird? Is that what you called it, earlier?
[Commercial break]
Interview with Sandra Bullock & Denis Leary
LARRY KING: So what do you get when you pair the latest sweetheart of American cinema, with an in your face comedian? The new romantic comedy Two if by Sea out in theaters on Friday from Warner Brothers. Sandra Bullock and Denis Leary who star in the Morgan Creek Production braved the blizzard to join us from New York.
Denis is this your project? I mean, you wrote this, right?
DENIS LEARY, Actor, Comedian: I co-wrote it with a friend of mine, an old friend of mine named Mike Armstrong and the story was written by my wife, myself and Mike. So-
LARRY KING: Okay, I'm hearing- I hope the audience isn't hearing it, but it sounds like you are in some vast echo chamber.
DENIS LEARY: We are.
SANDRA BULLOCK, Actress: We are.
LARRY KING: You feel it too? Oh, you are in an echo chamber.
DENIS LEARY: We are in an echo chamber.
LARRY KING: Now, you're not. Sandra, how did they get you for this role?
SANDRA BULLOCK: Well, do you want the story that is the truth, or do you want the story that Denis always tells. If you want-
LARRY KING: Let's try truth tonight.
SANDRA BULLOCK: Okay, there we go. About two years ago, before the Speed explosion, there was a script that I heard was written by Denis and we had already worked together once. And I read it and I fell in love with it, and it was something that I've always wanted to do. So I basically hunted him down like the wild animal that he was-
DENIS LEARY: Not true.
SANDRA BULLOCK: And then-
DENIS LEARY: She's lying, Larry.
SANDRA BULLOCK: No, Larry, I'm not lying.
LARRY KING: That's not the way it happened?
SANDRA BULLOCK: No, it was exactly the way that happened. But it was great, because Denis took a huge chance and gave it to me before Steve, and while the studio was saying, you know, there are other people who would be better, Denis said, `Well, I'd like Sandy.' And one week later, Speed came out and I was perfect for it.
LARRY KING: Both of you have done some terrific things, obviously Speed. Denis, I've told you I think The Ref is one of the funniest movies every made.
DENIS LEARY: Thanks, Larry.
LARRY KING: Is this one, Two if by Sea sort of like an updated Bickersons?
DENIS LEARY: Well, I mean, it's about - Sandra and I play a couple who have been living together for seven years and my character Frank, like many guys, I am not going to say all guys, but like many guys, is starting to take his girlfriend for granted and she wants more of a commitment from him and he's not, you know, ready and willing to give it up right now. And so-
LARRY KING: So they fight a lot.
DENIS LEARY: Yeah, we fight a lot. One of the things that Mike and I tried to do when we were writing the script, was to recreate the pitch of some of the arguments we'd been in with ex-girlfriends. And who had broken up with us because all we did was watch TV and sit around in our underwear and you know drink beer. So that's part of the, I think a lot of couples will identify with the ridiculous arguments that Sandy than I have, when it's over.
LARRY KING: And the story line is what? There is a caper here, Sandra, a robber, or something is going on?
SANDRA BULLOCK: Yeah, the backdrop is pretty much the last job that Denis' character is going to pull off, and I've gone along just to sort of make sure that he keeps his promise that he won't do this again, but-
LARRY KING: He's a thief?
SANDRA BULLOCK: Yeah, not a good one. But he is a thief.
DENIS LEARY: I'm a bad thief.
SANDRA BULLOCK: He's a bad thief. And we get there and the job sort of goes awry because he thinks that since our relationship isn't doing too well, the smart thing would be to steal the painting before he's supposed to steal it and make a weekend out of it, you know, for our relationship, to help things, which doesn't really work.
LARRY KING: So conflict is at the theme here.
SANDRA BULLOCK: All throughout the film, from beginning to end, yes.
LARRY KING: When you are doing a comedy and it's really funny and everyone knows that Denis Leary is really funny-
SANDRA BULLOCK: Yeah.
LARRY KING: -is it hard Sandra, not to laugh?
SANDRA BULLOCK: Yes, and we did it anyway. I mean the nice thing about having Denis be sort of the keeper of the egg, was that he wrote it and co-produced it-
DENIS LEARY: Keeper of the egg?
SANDRA BULLOCK: I don't know where that came from, but I figured - I don't know, well, it was the egg, and by the end it was hatched, and it was a chicken, our film is now a chicken. But it was really comfortable for people like myself, who just sort of, you know, like to laugh and sort of go off script a lot of times to do that. You have a tremendous amount of trust in someone that you trust as much as Denis.
DENIS LEARY: Yeah, we did a lot of improvisation, actually in the film.
LARRY KING: You did?
SANDRA BULLOCK: Yeah, a lot of the film ended up being improvisational.
DENIS LEARY: There are a couple of scenes that are just completely improved.
SANDRA BULLOCK: Yeah.
LARRY KING: Denis are you a comedian who acts and writes or are you a writer who acts and does comedy, or are you an actor who does the other two?
DENIS LEARY: Wow, I'm confused now, Larry.
LARRY KING: So am I and I asked it.
DENIS LEARY: I'm- I think of myself as a genius quite frankly. No I-
SANDRA BULLOCK: Ha, ha, ha.
DENIS LEARY: -no, I think of myself as an actor, I wouldn't been able to do the acting and the directing and the other stuff unless I had been a successful actor to begin with, so you have to start-
LARRY KING: But you started stand up didn't you?
DENIS LEARY: You know, actually I started in the theatre and I went into standup because I couldn't find a job in the theatre, because I was up in Boston, there weren't that many productions. I was working you know, nine to five jobs, and a good friend of mine - Steve Wright, the comedian, the comedian Steven Wright, he became a comic. And so when I saw him do it, I thought `Well, maybe I should give this a shot, because you can get some stage time.' So I tried it for a few years and it basically took off.
LARRY KING: What made you pick Sandra before she was stardom?
SANDRA BULLOCK: The fact that I begged and begged and begged.
DENIS LEARY: No. We met on Demolition Man a Stallone film. And we hit it off and it was a really big budget film, so there was a lot of waiting around, in between shots. So we really got to know each other and I always in the back of my head was thinking, you know, `Eventually we should do something.' Where we play a couple. So Mike and I were writing the film, and when we got done, Sandy liked the script, thank God. And so it makes it that much easier, I think to do a romantic relationship film if you know the other person in advance, you don't have to do that awkward getting to know each other thing.
SANDRA BULLOCK: Yeah.
DENIS LEARY: You know?
LARRY KING: Sandra how are you dealing with all of this fame now? Superstardom, you are box office. You are a major attraction, yet we know you as a regular person.
SANDRA BULLOCK: It's a little-
LARRY KING: So how are you dealing with this?
SANDRA BULLOCK: -it's a little frightening. The nice thing about it, or maybe the not so nice thing about it, was, or is that I haven't been around for it? Ever since Speed I've sort of - I've basically been working up to about three weeks ago. I've been not in my home. I've been out of the country, I've been working. So the best thing for me was that I wasn't around when this other- other thing of myself happened. And it's -
LARRY KING: Are you now seeing it, though?
SANDRA BULLOCK: We've seen little bits and pieces, but I tend to you know, stick to the phrase that ignorance is bliss? Because you continue on the way. I mean I am pretty set in my ways and I have a great life and sort of a wall of folk in my life including family and there is no reason why that should change, I mean it's great and it's perfect, so I kind of have that as a buffer and so that is wonderful. And you know, buy back to- to people like Denis, you know is that, the great thing that, the one thing that he never admits, I mean it's nice to have people like him have enough faith in you that you can pull something like this off. And-
LARRY KING: Sure. And he also got lucky didn't he? He cast you and now you are a big star-
DENIS LEARY: I know.
LARRY KING: -and suddenly you- Denis rides your wave Sandra.
DENIS LEARY: Well, when we signed to do the film, it was actually, it was like a week before Speed.
SANDRA BULLOCK: A week before Speed.
DENIS LEARY: So she was still Sandra Bullock, you know-
LARRY KING: Oh, then did you get her cheap, Denis?
SANDRA BULLOCK: Yeah.
DENIS LEARY: I guess we did get you cheap.
LARRY KING: We will be right back with Sandra Bullock and Denis Leary as the fight continues. We will stir something up. The film is Two if by Sea from Warner Brothers. We will include your phone calls, too, don't go away.
[film clip from `Two if by Sea']
SANDRA BULLOCK: So a guy dressed up like a bat, that's okay right? But a guy dressed up like a cat is a fag?
DENIS LEARY: Yeah. Yeah, I mean it's just, he's got the cape and a car. And-
SANDRA BULLOCK: And spends all his time with a teenage boy, talking to him, all right?
[Commercial break]
LARRY KING: Our guests are Sandra Bullock and Denis Leary, they are both at our studios in New York and they co-star in the new movie Two if by Sea. Can you explain, Sandra, the title?
SANDRA BULLOCK: Oh, good, they've asked me to explain the title. Basically, it's pretty much based on Paul Revere's statement.
LARRY KING: I know that but-
DENIS LEARY: Yeah.
LARRY KING: -how does it fit like the-
DENIS LEARY: It's a metaphor right?
LARRY KING: Yes.
DENIS LEARY: Is it a metaphor or a simile. It's a metaphor-
SANDRA BULLOCK: It's a metaphor. It is.
DENIS LEARY: It's, in other words, Two if by Sea, the two characters, they take a, at one point we take a ferry to a resort island off the coast of the cape, Cape Cod, which is a fictional island, but it's like Martha's Vineyard, so, it's, you know, that's why we used it.
LARRY KING: Was this shot in winter?
SANDRA BULLOCK: Yes.
DENIS LEARY: Actually it was shot in-
SANDRA BULLOCK: Yes, yes, yes.
DENIS LEARY: -in April and May in Nova Scotia, and it actually snowed the first three days while we were shooting the summer picture. It was actually the spring.
LARRY KING: Sandra said yes enough times Sandra to make one thing you froze.
SANDRA BULLOCK: Yes, yeah.
LARRY KING: You did?
DENIS LEARY: Yes.
SANDRA BULLOCK: Yes.
DENIS LEARY: We did.
SANDRA BULLOCK: Yes. We did. It definitely- the amazing thing about lip gloss is that when it hits temperatures below 32 it tends to freeze, that's what I discovered in Nova Scotia.
LARRY KING: What Denis are the prospects for this film? What are they saying down at the shop?
LARRY KING: Yeah, those who do the forecasts? Those who say `This is- ' , is this a biggie? What are- what is the read on this?
DENIS LEARY: Well, I- I didn't go to the shop, myself, Larry, but I called the shop.
SANDRA BULLOCK: Because they are fixing my car down at the shop-
DENIS LEARY: Yeah, right, so I went down to see who her car was doing.
LARRY KING: What do the boys at WB say?
DENIS LEARY: They're really - they are excited about. I mean,its hard for us to judge, because we are so close to it. I mean, I saw it - last night we had the world premiere up in Boston-
SANDRA BULLOCK: The world premiere?
DENIS LEARY: And- well, that's what they called it.
LARRY KING: The world premiere.
SANDRA BULLOCK: The world premiere?
DENIS LEARY: And I can't watch it because I am so close to it. But the audience was loving it, they were - they were missing some of the jokes because they were laughing so hard at the joke before, so that's the best sign, I think is- you know-
SANDRA BULLOCK: Yeah, I mean I don't think- I think the nice thing is that- I mean, I, myself, I'm not worried about that. I mean, Denis definitely should be worried about that, because this is his baby that he brought from the ground up-
DENIS LEARY: So, you are putting the onus on me, now.
SANDRA BULLOCK: No, I'm not-
LARRY KING: She's saying that it's all on- do you think, honestly, Sandra, you've been very honest tonight. Is this going to be a hit?
SANDRA BULLOCK: You know what, I am the worst judge of that, because I'm- I'm probably worse than Denis. I have no idea. I mean the only thing that I can ask for, which is the same thing I think Denis asks for is just that the work is honest. I mean, we had a great time together and when you have such a good time, you are always afraid that it's not going to live up to the good time that you had.
LARRY KING: Anthony Hopkins says all that really counts is if you had a good time and you did the best on the work-
SANDRA BULLOCK: Absolutely. Absolutely-
DENIS LEARY: Right.
LARRY KING: -the right either takes care of itself or not.
SANDRA BULLOCK: Yeah, I mean it's neither here nor there, whether- I mean for us, you know, at this point-
LARRY KING: Yeah.
SANDRA BULLOCK: -whether it makes a lot of money. It doesn't matter if you are thinking about that, you are thinking about the wrong sort of things.
DENIS LEARY: Yeah, I think this is a great date movie. When people say that they usually mean like you take your, you know your spouse or you know, your boyfriend or your girlfriend you go and it's very lovey-dovey.
LARRY KING: And you laugh.
DENIS LEARY: And this- this is a relationship film in the sense that even if you have a bad relationship you should go to this movie because you will see us argue to the point where it will probably bring you closer together I think.
LARRY KING: Toronto, Canada, let's take some calls for Sandra and Denis, hello?
4th CALLER: Hi, first I'd like - I have a question for Ms. Bullock and first I'd like to say that I've enjoyed your work for a long time and one of my favorite characters that you played was Linda Lou Lyndon in This Thing Called Love.
SANDRA BULLOCK: Thank you.
4th CALLER: My question is this: you seemed to have reached a point in your career where you've joined the ranks of people like Julia Roberts and Demi Moore, where there is a great deal of attention paid to how much money you are making per picture-
SANDRA BULLOCK: Yes.
4th CALLER: -and how much money your movies are grossing at the box office in their opening weekend. Does this concern you and does this new focus on finance will it, or even could it affect your choice of movies or roles in the future?
LARRY KING: Good question.
SANDRA BULLOCK: Yeah, that's a great question. Yes, up until- it's something that did bother me a little bit that everyone else's attention was focused on that, because it is one of the farthest things from my mind is- to protect myself what I've just done is to ask those who handle the business, the business side and the monetary side of things not to bring it to the table. If there is something that is presented to me, I want it to just - to just basically be the script and I will make my decision based on that. And whatever is in the pot, is, is what I will take. Because it is the script, and the writing and the character that matters, whether it is a short film which I will be doing in March for nothing, which is only about 30 minutes long, or whether it's something that is very profitable and-
LARRY KING: So your agent can't say to you, `Sandra we've got to do this because it's a blockbuster.'
SANDRA BULLOCK: Not at all. They- they don't want to because it would totally go against the grain of what I love. And then I wouldn't be able to do things like Two if by Sea if that's what I based all my choices on. I think if you base your choices on money and the potential success rate of the film, you are doomed. You do it for the love of what you- you wan to do. And I think anything else is a big mistake.
LARRY KING: Back with Denis Leary and Sandra Bullock they co-star in Two if by Sea, right after this.
DENIS LEARY: I promise
SANDRA BULLOCK: Are you going to quit smoking?
DENIS LEARY: Honey, I quit smoking.
SANDRA BULLOCK: Bye bye.
DENIS LEARY: Okay, okay, I will.
SANDRA BULLOCK: You want?
DENIS LEARY: I swear I will quit smoking.
SANDRA BULLOCK: Do you want to die.
DENIS LEARY: Honey, okay, I swear on my mother's eyes that I will do all the things that you just asked me to do.
[Commercial break]
LARRY KING: We are almost out of time. Sandra your next is John Grisham's Time to Kill.
SANDRA BULLOCK: Yes, that's correct.
LARRY KING: That was his first book, wasn't it?
SANDRA BULLOCK: Yes, it was. That was something that was really, really powerful. It was an amazing experience that if I attempted to describe it, I would diminish the power it really has, so I will just be quiet.
LARRY KING: Denis, what is your next?
DENIS LEARY: I have a thing called Wide Awake with Dana Delaney and Rosie O'Donnell. And a thing called Underworld with Joe Montegna.
LARRY KING: I love Joe Montegna. Thank you all very much. We look forward to seeing this. It sounds like a riot.
DENIS LEARY: Thank you, Larry.
SANDRA BULLOCK: Thank you.
LARRY KING: Sandy Bullock and Denis Leary, they co-star in Two if by Sea from Warner Brothers.
Tomorrow night, Mary Fisher talks about her battle against AIDS. And Friday night we're going to talk about all this rash of missing people. An anchor woman, an heiress. That's on Friday night, and Saturday night we will repeat our Year in Review show, in Los Angeles, where we head. This is Larry King Live tonight, in Washington. I don't know where I am.
Good night.
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